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Old 05-18-2004, 00:58
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However, all methods request to run the virus or hostile code on a machine or virtual machine (VMWare...), and if we have some mistake or carelessness ???
The idea is to set up a machine to let the worm do its works - without care for that machine. In fact monitoring is done by using ANOTHER machine running a remote debugging system.

By running a worm/virus on a machine to be sacrificed, you can do whatever you want.

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Old 05-18-2004, 08:29
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and what would you say about this

hxxp://www.woodmann.net/bart/files/shaker.zip

does it look like a virus code (asm obfuscator's output) ?

any ideas to improve it?
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Old 05-18-2004, 12:51
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Thank redbull !
I think I need more time to read again and again your informations.
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Old 05-18-2004, 13:37
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It's worth noting that polymorphic code can (and usually is) written to avoid emulation detection. (Almost) Every emulator has bugs that can be programaticly detected, and when they are, the code remains harmless.

One piece of code I ran into recently (a protection, not a virus) set up a ring 0 call gate pointing to a "lock invalid instruction". If everything was running good, it would execute it from ring 3 and the exception would set up the next round of decryption. If things weren't quite right (too many clock-ticks on RDTSC), it would execute it as a call gate (ring 0) and the machine would instantly reboot. Even Softice was powerless to catch it. The instruction was identical, just how it was called was different. NOP the bad instruction, and the exception would never fire to finish decrypting code. Trace the code and BOOM. Quite eligent, but no match for OllyScript... (and exception handlers don't HAVE to be called from exceptions...)

Anyway, I've been told a lot of emulators don't emulate Floating Point correctly, and a earlier post showed that VM Ware can be detected, so maybe just looking at it under a microscope isn't always Proof that code is harmless. What A sentance! Obvoiusly, I didn't major in english...
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Old 05-19-2004, 16:41
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Are we drifting off topic ?? :P

This is turning out to be an interesting thread

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It's worth noting that polymorphic code can (and usually is) written to avoid emulation detection. (Almost) Every emulator has bugs that can be programaticly detected, and when they are, the code remains harmless.
I refer you to a paper called defeating the perfect emulator:
hxxp://vx.netlux.org/lib/static/vdat/tudefeat.htm

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To detect an emulator you need to use something that differs when being emulated. This could be non common instructions, the function IsDebuggerPresent or similar. All of these methods has one weakness, The Perfect Emulator (tm). The Perfect Emulator would cut through them like me cutting through my victims, fast, elegant and non detectable. The Perfect Emulator would only differ from the processor in speed.
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Even if The Perfect Emulator never will exist its always possible to add some code to a good emulator after you have found a virus using a new technique. All your work with the polymorphic engine will then be useless.
To make code to detect one type of emulator will make it vunerable against other emulators so you are just moving the problem one step further.

An example of an extremely good emulator is the Microsoft Virtual PC 2004 ...
The only way to detect it is to detect the drivers installed under the virtual OS.. The names of which can be spoofed my modifying the .INF files before instalaltion.

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One piece of code I ran into recently (a protection, not a virus) set up a ring 0 call gate pointing to a "lock invalid instruction". If everything was running good, it would execute it from ring 3 and the exception would set up the next round of decryption. If things weren't quite right (too many clock-ticks on RDTSC), it would execute it as a call gate (ring 0) and the machine would instantly reboot. Even Softice was powerless to catch it. The instruction was identical, just how it was called was different. NOP the bad instruction, and the exception would never fire to finish decrypting code. Trace the code and BOOM. Quite eligent, but no match for OllyScript... (and exception handlers don't HAVE to be called from exceptions...)
Ok I have read up on very similar protections being used by the virus guys. In fact these guys were proposing this type of protection as early as 2001. I assume the scanners have a level of protection against this.

I would like to get my hands on that code you refer to Sgdt...

I haved used RDTSC detection before in my own code with great effect.

Here is an older virus which uses SEH to block emulators.

WIN32.OROCHI virus
MARCH 2000
Comments:
hxxp://www.madchat.org/vxdevl/vxmags/mtx1/virus/orochi.htm
Source:
hxxp://www.madchat.org/vxdevl/vxmags/mtx1/virus/orochi.zip

Anti-Debugging Highlights:

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Originally Posted by Web Page
- PUT A NEW SEH AND CAUSE ONE EXCEPTION, FOOLING APPLEVEL DEBUGGERZ AND EMULATORZ
- PROCESS MANY ANTI-EMULATION TRICKS:
* STACK MANIPULATION
* SELECTORS
* FPU COMPROBATION
* SELF MODIFIED CODE (INT 01H RULES)
- PROCESS ANTIDEBUGGER PART:
* IF W9.X DESTROY DEBUG REGS AND MAKE SHIT THE STACK
* IF NT, USE THE IsDebuggerPresent API
- BEFORE TO RETURN TO THE HOST IF WE ARE IN W9X JUMP TO RING0 AND STAY RESIDENT
HOOKING THE OPENFILE PROCEDURE AND STABLISH A COUNTAH IF THE NUMBER OF FILES OPENED
REACH A RANDOM VALUE MAKE A BIOS & CMOS TRASHING... ALSO EVERY FILE OPENED WILL
MODIFY THE DR3 REGISTER MAKING SOME DEBUGGERS VERY STONED (TRACING OROCHI UNDER TD32
THE PROGRAM JUMP INCORRECTLY INTO THE OFFSETS AND HANG THE ENTIRE MACHINE...)
I will run some tests on that virus code ....

I ran some tests about two months ago on all the AV programs I could get my hands on ...

I took 10 virus samples.
This is what I did:

1. A virus I wrote and never released - OLD MS DOS Polymorphic Companion virus - Anti-heuristsic and all (1996) ( I tested 4 generations )
2. A EXE dos file I wrote designed to trigger every heurtistic alarm possible.
3. Std Eicar Test File
4. Standard Win32 virus (forgotten the name :P ) (lets call it Test1)
5. Test1 with Eicar strings embedded and slight modifications.
6. Test1 with more modifications to program flow around dummy bytes at critical parts.
7. Heavily modified Test1 virus but the program logic stayed the same (ie it was still a virus)

After extensive testing I found the best anti-virus programs were:
Norton's Anti Virus
AVP

They caught every virus sample and were not thrown off by embedded eicar strings.

I will be doing some tests on "WIN32.OROCHI" especially the SEH and Floating point stuff...
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Old 05-19-2004, 22:07
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for older versions of VPC (before m$) not emulates INTO & BOUND exceptions..
(very stupid fact, ye?)
so i recommend to old VPC users: update to m$-VPC.
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Old 07-19-2004, 20:03
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detecting VPC.

you can detect it by looking at the IDT base address too

usually it is 0x80...... and on VPC/VMWARE it is 0xF.... or 0xE.... etc

RDTSC can also be catched, with a driver.
one can activate some flag in control registers to do that.

I suppose one could write a driver to avoid detection by such instructions.
Anyone ever tried?

{Edit by JMI: Line79 you DON"T get to increase your post count by posting TWO separate posts, 2 seconds apart. ]

Edit by Me: Rofl bullshits, i don't give a flying f... of my post count

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