What to use now as VC++

[omidgl]

I think if you don't need to involve yourself with .NET and Microsoft IL, then VC++ 6 is steal the best environment for every real programmers.

[aldente]

As for the Delphi tool, i have not played with Delphi 2005 yet. I am working with ASP.NET (C#) and what can i say...just another tool that generates an income for my life.

Well, ASP.NET is maybe one of the few things, .NET is usefull for, so you don't have to use crappy php-stuff.

But for traditional Windows-programming, .NET is really shitty bullshit.

As a development enviroment there are better alternatives: Source Insight, Slickedit, Codewright
VS is good but its power comes from libraries/frameworks that come with :
MFC,.NET etc....

Originally Posted by Big_or_what

Well, ASP.NET is maybe one of the few things, .NET is usefull for, so you don't have to use crappy php-stuff.

But for traditional Windows-programming, .NET is really shitty bullshit.

Well, power of computers doubles about every 18 months, they say. But developers don't get faster at the same rate. So, I see creation of frameworks that increase effectiveness of developers as a good thing (even if these frameworks add some overhead to programs). You are probably aware that similar things had been said about C++ by C programmers. Why make religion out of programming? I think the most important criterion in most cases should be whether it's good for business.

As far as performance is concerned (at least, that of C#), take a look at Does C# Measure Up? (why isn't this link rendered as one?... suka)

Originally Posted by omidgl

I think if you don't need to involve yourself with .NET and Microsoft IL, then VC++ 6 is steal the best environment for every real programmers.

Would be true if VC++6 could be used to compile C++ sources. Unfortunately it has such a terrible language support that I can't treat it a C++ compiler. For mainly C projects it is perfect.